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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:32:16    

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Unused space on hard drives recovered?  
 
Updated Hidden partitions revealed
 
 
By INQUIRER staff: mardi 09 mars 2004, 14:33
 
 READER WILEY SILER has sent us a method which he said was discovered by Scott Komblue and documented by himself which they claim can recover unused areas of the hard drive in the form of hidden partitions.
We haven't tried this here at the INQUIRER, and would caution readers that messing with your hard drive is done at your own peril and very likely breaches your warranty. Here is what Wiley and Scott did. µ
 
* UPDATE Does this work? We're not going to try it on our own machine thank you very much. Instead, we're waiting for a call from a hard drive company so we can get its take on these claims.
 
** UPDATE II A representative for large hard drive distributor Bell Micro said: "This is NOT undocumented and we have done this in the past to load an image of the original installation of the software. When the client corrupted the o/s we had a boot floppy thatopened the unseen partition and copied it to the active or seen partition. It is a not a new feature or discovery. We use it ourselves without any qualms".
 
*** UPDATE III See the letters column today, here.
 
Required items
Ghost 2003 Build 2003.775 (Be sure not to allow patching of this software) 2 X Hard Drives (OS must be installed on both.) For sake of clarity we will call the drive we are trying to expand (T) in this document (means Target for partition recover). The drive you use every day, I assume you have one that you want to keep as mater with your current OS and data, will be the last dive we install in this process and will be called (X) as it is your original drive.
 
1. Install the HDD you wish to recover the hidden partitions (hard drive T) on as the master drive in your system with a second drive as a slave (you can use Hard Drive X if you want to). Any drive will do as a slave since we will not be writing data to it. However, Ghost must see a second drive in order to complete the following steps. Also, be sure hard drive T has an OS installed on it You must ensure that the file system type is the same on both drive (NTFS to NTFS or FAT32 to FAT32, etc)  
 
2. Install Ghost 2003 build 2003.775 to hard drive T with standard settings. Reboot if required.
 
3. Open Ghost and select Ghost Basic. Select Backup from the shown list of options. Select C:\ (this is the drive we want to free partition on on hard drive T) as our source for the backup. Select our second drive as the target. (no data will be written so worry not). Use any name when requested as it will not matter. Press OK, Continue, or Next until you are asked to reboot.
 
Critical step
4. Once reboot begins, you must shutdown the PC prior to the loading of DOS or any drivers. The best method is to power down the PC manually the moment you see the BIOS load and your HDDs show as detected.
 
5. Now that you have shutdown prior to allowing Ghost to do its backup, you must remove the HDD we are attempting to expand (hard drive T which we had installed as master) and replace it with a drive that has an OS installed on it. (This is where having hard drive X is useful. You can use your old hard drive to complete the process.) Place hard drive T as a secondary drive in the system. Hard drive X should now be the master and you should be able to boot into the OS on it. The best method for this assuming you need to keep data from and old drive is:
 
Once you boot into the OS, you will see that the second drive in the system is the one we are attempting to expand (hard drive T). Go to Computer Management -> Disk Management
 
You should see an 8 meg partition labeled VPSGHBOOT or similar on the slave HDD (hard drive T) along with a large section of unallocated space that did not show before. DO NOT DELETE VPSGHBOOT yet.
 
6. Select the unallocated space on our drive T and create a new primary or extended partition. Select the file system type you prefer and format with quick format (if available). Once formatting completes, you can delete the VPSGHBOOT partition from the drive.
 
7. Here is what you should now see on your T drive.
 
a. Original partition from when the drive still had hidden partitions
b. New partition of space we just recovered.
c. 8 meg unallocated partitions.
 
8. Do you want to place drive T back in a PC and run it as the primary HDD? Go to Disk Management and set the original partition on T (not the new one we just formatted) to and Active Partition. It should be bootable again if no data corruption has occurred.
 
Caution
Do not try to delete both partitions on the drive so you can create one large partition. This will not work. You have to leave the two partitions separate in order to use them. Windows disk management will have erroneous data in that it will say drive size = manus stated drive size and then available size will equal ALL the available space with recovered partitions included.
 
This process can cause a loss of data on the drive that is having its partitions recovered so it is best to make sure the HDD you use is not your current working HDD that has important data. If you do this on your everyday drive and not a new drive with just junk on it, you do so at your own risk. It has worked completely fine with no loss before and it has also lost the data on the drive before. Since the idea is to yield a huge storage drive, it should not matter.
 
Interesting results to date:
Western Digital 200GB SATA
Yield after recovery: 510GB of space
 
IBM Deskstar 80GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 150GB of space
 
Maxtor 40GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 80GB
 
Seagate 20GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 30GB
 
Unknown laptop 80GB HDD
Yield: 120GB


 
 
source : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:32:16   

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:39:19    

Sojiro Seta a écrit :

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Unused space on hard drives recovered?  
 
Updated Hidden partitions revealed
 
 
By INQUIRER staff: mardi 09 mars 2004, 14:33
 
 READER WILEY SILER has sent us a method which he said was discovered by Scott Komblue and documented by himself which they claim can recover unused areas of the hard drive in the form of hidden partitions.
We haven't tried this here at the INQUIRER, and would caution readers that messing with your hard drive is done at your own peril and very likely breaches your warranty. Here is what Wiley and Scott did. µ
 
* UPDATE Does this work? We're not going to try it on our own machine thank you very much. Instead, we're waiting for a call from a hard drive company so we can get its take on these claims.
 
** UPDATE II A representative for large hard drive distributor Bell Micro said: "This is NOT undocumented and we have done this in the past to load an image of the original installation of the software. When the client corrupted the o/s we had a boot floppy thatopened the unseen partition and copied it to the active or seen partition. It is a not a new feature or discovery. We use it ourselves without any qualms".
 
*** UPDATE III See the letters column today, here.
 
Required items
Ghost 2003 Build 2003.775 (Be sure not to allow patching of this software) 2 X Hard Drives (OS must be installed on both.) For sake of clarity we will call the drive we are trying to expand (T) in this document (means Target for partition recover). The drive you use every day, I assume you have one that you want to keep as mater with your current OS and data, will be the last dive we install in this process and will be called (X) as it is your original drive.
 
1. Install the HDD you wish to recover the hidden partitions (hard drive T) on as the master drive in your system with a second drive as a slave (you can use Hard Drive X if you want to). Any drive will do as a slave since we will not be writing data to it. However, Ghost must see a second drive in order to complete the following steps. Also, be sure hard drive T has an OS installed on it You must ensure that the file system type is the same on both drive (NTFS to NTFS or FAT32 to FAT32, etc)  
 
2. Install Ghost 2003 build 2003.775 to hard drive T with standard settings. Reboot if required.
 
3. Open Ghost and select Ghost Basic. Select Backup from the shown list of options. Select C:\ (this is the drive we want to free partition on on hard drive T) as our source for the backup. Select our second drive as the target. (no data will be written so worry not). Use any name when requested as it will not matter. Press OK, Continue, or Next until you are asked to reboot.
 
Critical step
4. Once reboot begins, you must shutdown the PC prior to the loading of DOS or any drivers. The best method is to power down the PC manually the moment you see the BIOS load and your HDDs show as detected.
 
5. Now that you have shutdown prior to allowing Ghost to do its backup, you must remove the HDD we are attempting to expand (hard drive T which we had installed as master) and replace it with a drive that has an OS installed on it. (This is where having hard drive X is useful. You can use your old hard drive to complete the process.) Place hard drive T as a secondary drive in the system. Hard drive X should now be the master and you should be able to boot into the OS on it. The best method for this assuming you need to keep data from and old drive is:
 
Once you boot into the OS, you will see that the second drive in the system is the one we are attempting to expand (hard drive T). Go to Computer Management -> Disk Management
 
You should see an 8 meg partition labeled VPSGHBOOT or similar on the slave HDD (hard drive T) along with a large section of unallocated space that did not show before. DO NOT DELETE VPSGHBOOT yet.
 
6. Select the unallocated space on our drive T and create a new primary or extended partition. Select the file system type you prefer and format with quick format (if available). Once formatting completes, you can delete the VPSGHBOOT partition from the drive.
 
7. Here is what you should now see on your T drive.
 
a. Original partition from when the drive still had hidden partitions
b. New partition of space we just recovered.
c. 8 meg unallocated partitions.
 
8. Do you want to place drive T back in a PC and run it as the primary HDD? Go to Disk Management and set the original partition on T (not the new one we just formatted) to and Active Partition. It should be bootable again if no data corruption has occurred.
 
Caution
Do not try to delete both partitions on the drive so you can create one large partition. This will not work. You have to leave the two partitions separate in order to use them. Windows disk management will have erroneous data in that it will say drive size = manus stated drive size and then available size will equal ALL the available space with recovered partitions included.
 
This process can cause a loss of data on the drive that is having its partitions recovered so it is best to make sure the HDD you use is not your current working HDD that has important data. If you do this on your everyday drive and not a new drive with just junk on it, you do so at your own risk. It has worked completely fine with no loss before and it has also lost the data on the drive before. Since the idea is to yield a huge storage drive, it should not matter.
 
Interesting results to date:
Western Digital 200GB SATA
Yield after recovery: 510GB of space
 
IBM Deskstar 80GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 150GB of space
 
Maxtor 40GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 80GB
 
Seagate 20GB EIDE
Yield after recovery: 30GB
 
Unknown laptop 80GB HDD
Yield: 120GB


 
 
source : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597


 
 
 
t'as essayé pour savoir si ça fonctionnais ?

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:49:55    

Euh il y aurait 100% d'espace caché sur certains disques  :pt1cable:  
 
Mais qu'est-ce que c'est que ces co**eries  :heink:  
 
Est-ce que certaines personnes ont essayé de truc  :??:

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:50:59    

f18 a écrit :


 
 
 
t'as essayé pour savoir si ça fonctionnais ?


 
non j'viens de tomber là dessus et j'me demandais si kk'1 avait essayé ou avait eu des échos sur cette méthode

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 00:54:45    

pas essayé mais il est vrai que sur certains disques, la partie intérieure des plateux est désactivée car plus lente et limiter la surface dispo sur le disque diminu les temps dacces..

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 11:37:55    

C'est un poisson d'avril???

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 11:43:20    

compression ? :D

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 11:53:47    

Stacker 2004?   :lol:

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 11:55:20    

niclee a écrit :

Stacker 2004?   :lol:  


 
Ah oui stacker, j'étais tout content de faire passer mon disque dur de 120 Mo à presque 200 MO !!!!  :pt1cable:

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 15:50:29    

peut-etre possible :/

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 15:50:29   

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 16:17:12    

[:michrone]

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 17:53:31    

The inquirer est un générateur de Hoax !

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 17:54:25    

f18 a écrit :


 
 
 
t'as essayé pour savoir si ça fonctionnais ?

c'est malin de quoter un post de 30 lignes pour un réponse d'1/6è de ligne [:jofusion]


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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:02:55    

portnawak

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:18:23    

Ce qui est sur c'est que sur certain disque il y'a bien de l'espace non utilisé par exemple il existe des disques de 120Go qui ont des plateaux de 80Go. Donc celui peut etre decliné en une version 80go avec un plateau 160go avec 2 plateau mais il y a aussi des 120Go avec 2 plateau donc 40go sont non alloué.  
 
Maintenant ce qui est louche c'est l'espace qu'il recupère 500Go d'un disque de 200Go alors que les plateau d'une densité de 100Go viennent juste d'etre annoncé.

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:20:07    

que un disque de 80 go face 160 go ou 120go en reel car tout les parties et ou face du disque ne sont pas utiliser =>ok
mais les recuperes et que cela marche correctement sa metonerais  
si non pk le fabriquant ne les actives pas par defaut cela ferais des disques plus gros  
a moin qu'il face comme AMD a une epoque qui faisait que des 1ghz ( coutais - cher ) et apres les bridais a la vitesse qu'il voulais


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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:23:40    

ggeforce a écrit :


mais les recuperes et que cela marche correctement sa metonerais


 
ca m'etonne aussi et surtout de cette facon. Reste plus qu'a tester et surtout remplir rellement le disque avec 500Go

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:27:03    

Ce bidouillage n'est surement rien d'autre qu'une manipulation qui trafique les tables d'allocations et qui fait afficher une taille disponible supérieure à la réalité.
 
Je me souviens qu'à une époque, avec un ami, nous avions modifié des secteurs d'une disquettes 1.44 Mo pour afficher un espace disponible de près de 15 Mo !
 
Croyez vous franchement qu'un constructeur briderait un disque de 500 Go pour en faire seulement 200 Go, sans proposer un modèle de 500 Go dans la gamme ?!
 
Tout ce qui s'écrit sur le web n'est pas parole d'évangile, et les  rumeurs peuvent se répandre plus vite qu'une trainée de poudre, quitte à annoncer des inepties.
 
Certains sites comme celui ci semblent passés maitre dans le domaine de la désinformation !


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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:28:08    

+1

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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 18:35:42    

je viens de faire un tour sur le site de western digital. Le disque de 250Go à 3 plateau  et 6 tete une tete sur chaque face. Donc a confirmé quand il parle de densité par plateau c'est sur chaque face ou recto/verso? car recto/verso sur un disque avec un plateau de 80go ca fait pas 250 et si c'est par face ca fait 480Go.
 
Sinon dans la declinaison 200Go c'est toujours 3 plateau mais seuelment 5 tete donc une face est supprimé dans ce cas si c'est desactive en hard il n'y a surement pas de moyen de recuperer cette surface avec un ghost.
 
enfin deja on voit que les plateau sont pas utilisé totalement car enlever 1 tete retire apriori 50Go donc 6x50 on aurait au moins 50Go de dispo sur la version 250Go.
 
EDIT: bon c'est bon c'est bien 80Go pour un plateau entier donc le disque de 250go est bien remplie. je pense comme jumbo faut tester et remplir ca va bien merder à un moment à tout hazard à la capacité annoncé du disque


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Marsh Posté le 11-03-2004 à 19:31:46    

à lire http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14608
il y a  bien des secteur inutilisé mais c'est pour les secteur defectueux et il n'y en a pas autant que de bon secteur.
 
la table des partitions est en fait erroné et les partitions se chevauche. Une fois les disque rempli apparement ce n'est pas de l'espace en plus que l'on a mais des secteur deterioré et donc l'effet inverse.
 
Ils sont vraiment très fort chez the inquirer il aurait quand même pu remplir le disque et s'en rendre compte à moins de déjà le savoir et juste se faire un gros coup de pub au dépend de certain lecteur qui vont deterioré leur disque mais de ce coté le pb est réglé "This process can cause a loss of data"


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